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92hatchattack
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29 10 9:13 am    Post subject: Gloss paint for UDS? Reply with quote

Hey guys, i was hoping to paint my uds with a gloss type paint. Since it is a smoker and will not see high temperatures im pretty sure and engine paint type would withstand the heat.

I tested out some dupli color engine paint that is suposed to be good for 500 degrees. Seem to go on fine but it seems to scratch very easily. I am able to put a nice scratch in it with nothing more than my finger nail! Why is this?

Is there any other high temp glossy paint that is more resistant to scratches?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29 10 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't most engine paint require some kind of stepped-temperature curing process for it to get hard?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29 10 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 day_trippr you need to cure that bad boy
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29 10 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The dupli-color paint directions have no references to any heat curing.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29 10 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here ya go...

http://www.vhtpaint.com/flameproof.html

Click on the type you used...the one I looked at (FLAMEPROOF) had how to cure off the vehicle.

Curing FlameProof™
VHT FlameProof™ Coating only attains its unique properties after correct curing (refer to instructions on the can).

On the Vehicle
•Paint must be completely dry before curing
•Run at idle for 10 minutes
•Cool for 20 minutes
•Run at idle for 20 minutes
•Cool for 20 minutes
•Run under normal operating conditions for 30 minutes

Off the Vehicle
•Paint must be completely dry before curing
•Heat to 250°F (121°C) for 30 minutes
•Cool for 30 minutes
•Heat to 400°F (204°C) for 30 minutes
•Cool for 30 minutes
•Heat to 650°F (343°C ) for 30 minutes

Caution: Do not exceed the temperature of the least heat tolerant component or the base metal
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29 10 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah but vht doesn't have gloss colors. I'm having second thoughts about the duplicolor. I may look for the vht motorsports paint. They have a satin black which is good for 550 degrees they claim. Allthoigh not gloss is better than a matte finish. They say it cures when the engine is started. I wonder it the smoker will generate enough heat for it to cure
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29 10 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It needs to cure for at least 7 days or it will scratch and peel. I usually put a small fire basket in the smoker on the 5th day and bring the temp to 225 and just let it burn out. Seems to set up better that way.
Did you use their primer first?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29 10 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you have actually used this specific dupli color glossy engine paint? How are the results? Have you been able to run you smoker as hot as 350 without this paint bubbling? After curing you have no issues with scrathing?



I have not painted the drum yet, only tested it on the lid I cut off. Is the primer essential? How long does that need to dry before applying paint?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29 10 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I use it all of the time. Make sure you have clean metal to start with. Hit it with a coat of primer, let it dry and then do my finish coat. They also make a clear coat, too, but I haven't tried it yet.
You will need to touch up the bottom every so often.
This has 1 coat of primer and 1 coat of color. It has been too cold lately to get the second coat on. Need to knock the dust off of it and try to do it today. Supposed to be over 60°. I've already done the cure with 225° in it. BTW, that is Old Ford Blue.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30 10 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I applied 2 coats of High temp primer and 2 coats of High Temp Gloss Black..
Holds up real well.The paint I used was Engine Hi Temp paint and the primer was wood stove primer.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30 10 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jarhead, how often is every so often on the touchyps and about how high up do you need to redo? Do you have to re- prime it or just blend the paint in after a soapy wash?


Whitey do you remember what brand of paint you used?

Sorry for being a pain in the ass. Just want to get this don't the right way the first time.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30 10 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

92hatchattack wrote:
Jarhead, how often is every so often on the touchyps and about how high up do you need to redo? Do you have to re- prime it or just blend the paint in after a soapy wash?


Whitey do you remember what brand of paint you used?

Sorry for being a pain in the ass. Just want to get this don't the right way the first time.

Just depends on how much you use it. Give it a good scrubbing with soap and hot water. I just sand it and blend the colors in. I reapply the primer if I see metal after sanding. I cook in mine about 3 times per month and by the end of the summer, it needs it. I would guess the bottom 6-8" need to be cleaned up.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30 10 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used duplicolor engine paint on mine and it holds up great. Engine temps Are way higher than your uds will ever be.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30 10 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jarhead wrote:

Just depends on how much you use it. Give it a good scrubbing with soap and hot water. I just sand it and blend the colors in. I reapply the primer if I see metal after sanding. I cook in mine about 3 times per month and by the end of the summer, it needs it. I would guess the bottom 6-8" need to be cleaned up.



I wonder if I could build a heatshield out of some thin metal about one inch from the side of the drum, just enough to keep the direct radiant heat from the lower part of the drum.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30 10 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

92hatchattack
Give Me a minute I will go and find the paint in the shop..
The shop is a mess with 6 dirt bikes torn down getting ready for the Desert 100..Washington states 100 mile race..I know I just seen the primer..
I have had Oh about 12-16 cooks on it and no sign of heat at all..The primer I think made alot of differance.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30 10 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ lol, is that shop over on the east coast? Haha just kidding my man. Life is busy these days I know!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30 10 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a Sherwin Wiliams store close by, they have a 1200 degree paint. They also have a 1500 degree paint.

It'sonly in their comercial line. Not in lumber yards


Not cheap, but the military does use it??


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30 10 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK buddy..Sorry got busy again..
I used Dupli-Color Hi-Temp and self etching primer and it is holding up great..
Look forward to seeing the paint job..
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31 10 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^ now is that the dupli color 500 degree engine enamal, or the 1200 degree high heat?

If it's the 1200 degree I'm very interested as it looks from the picture like a satin or semigloss. So far I have found only flat paints in the 1200 degree range.

And if it's the engine paint that's good too that it's working out well.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31 10 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use the 500° Engine Enamel
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