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Gas Assist For Large Log Burners W/Safety Features
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hvac81
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30 10 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was nice of you to say
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01 10 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hope you have been well HVAC, it's been a while.

I tried to find pics of your cookers, but the photo's no longer show at the original posts.Crying or Very sad

Outstanding show of automation at it's finest. Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01 10 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure why. May be time to re-post some.
I am doing a whole hog in October for my 50th and will take some pictures.

50??? Shocked Mad Embarassed wow im getting old Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02 10 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBQMAN/HVAC81,
Do either of you have the part number for the "Honeywell electronically controlled gas valve, spark unit, and control box" or if I go and ask for one they will know what I am talking about without taking a picture with me?

Thanks,
ces
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02 10 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should be able to find the whole thing as an assembly. It is commonly used as a oil to gas conversion gun or burner for a hydronic boiler.
This is available at Graingers or at any wholesale or retail parts supplier.
Where are you at? In the mean time I will look for numbers, unless my Pal BBQMAN has them handy
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07 10 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like those part#'s also.We have been doing some vending and man am I getting tired!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07 10 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try this link. It should bring you to the Johnstone Supply Groups online catalog. In case it doesnt work.

Part number is #L86-170
Manufacturers #63366
Manufacturer is Wayne
Model number P250AF
8" DI Direct Spark Natural Gas

You will need to have a propane conversion kit for the gas valve as well, if you are planning on burning Propane that is

http://www.johnstonesupply.com/corp/tabid/1783/default.aspx?product_group=1167
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07 10 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

do you know what the cfm is on the fan, this setup looks like the burner assembly off a radiant tube heater used in garage heaters.

Travis
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07 10 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CFM rating will be different for different Firing Rates. The Burner as it comes will fire between lets say 50,000btu and 300,000btu. You as the installer have to adjust the burner to your application- so the primary air will vary. This is similar to a radiant tube heater burner.

Please be advised that this burner has a pilot safety or ignition control. But it does not have any of the safeties that must be added to what ever it is you are controlling that will prevent overheating and possibly a dangerous condition. You really should have a good understanding of how this device will work with your application.
You must be conscientious of Primary combustion air as well as an Exhaust path. The device must me controlled by an automatic device that allows for automatic control of the firing. You Must not rely on your remembering to manipulate the burner or keep an eye on things.
There are plenty of Folks here that can attest to what a gas explosion is or can be. Safety is Paramount!!!

I have successfully used such a burner for about 7 years on one of my builds. Once the burner was installed and Yearly since I have verified the Combustion process with a Combustion Analyser.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14 10 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For someone who knows less about electronics than he does BBQ... is a feature like this available with any of the offset manufactures that you know of? You mentioned Southern Pride and Old Hickory but what about Lang or any others.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14 10 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBQMAN? I didn't mean to hijack the thread, but this is an area I am unfamiliar with
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18 10 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@ BBQMAN & HAVC81 Thank you for this post!!! I am going to look into doing this mod to my rot smoker. I also have a vertical cabinet smoker but I think what I have done to it will be adequate. If there is any additional information that you can throw my way about this mod it would be greatly appreciated. Once again thank you for this thread I have been looking for something just like this.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19 10 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The credit all goes to BBQ MAN. I just made some comments-
But you Sir are welcome
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18 10 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Virginiasmoke wrote:
For someone who knows less about electronics than he does BBQ... is a feature like this available with any of the offset manufactures that you know of? You mentioned Southern Pride and Old Hickory but what about Lang or any others.


Have not checked back here in a while, so sorry for the late reply.

The direct answer is not that I know of.

Ben Lang, Dave Klose, and any multitude of other pit builders build a fine product.

But most that buy them either don't have the need, or would balk at an additional 25-30% of the asking price being added on to support the gas assist.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18 10 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick update: this has just been the best thing going this season.

I've cooked 8 hogs, a ton (dang near literally) of pork butts, and countless cases of ribs since the install.

Works like a charm! Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02 10 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BBQMAN wrote:
A quick update: this has just been the best thing going this season.

I've cooked 8 hogs, a ton (dang near literally) of pork butts, and countless cases of ribs since the install.

Works like a charm! Cool


"And to You, Mike go all of the Spoils!" I've been meaning for months to PM you congrats on your "Retro-Burner." I remember when you initially installed the Stainless Charmglow (now long gone but not forgotten!) units on your trailer ...that in itself was nothing less than "Shoe-Horn" tight, but You made it work...And nonetheless looked Great!

Besides HVAC on this Forum, I don't know anyone else with enough
Chutzpah (And I state that in a Very Positive sense! Wink )perseverance and drive to create the Cooker builds in the manor Unique to You.

So, Once Again BBQMAN...Congratulations on a Fine Job Well Done!

Who knows...When it comes time to file for Social Security benefits, You
might just decide to "Turn a Business into a Hobby!"
Razz Laughing Wink

All The Best Mike!"

Tony Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02 10 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 02 10 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Tony and HVAC, much appreciated.

I do come up with some unique equipment applications.

A thanks goes to Tony from his earlier advice (taken into careful consideration) and pointers before I started this modification.

As far as unique cooker builds (in addition to HVAC) Chuck and K.A.M come to mind as well as any number of other pit builders.

A Tony built fridge comes to mind as well.

The list of cool stuff done by folks here is almost endless.........................

I've enjoyed sharing some of my work here, and hope it's been a bit of use to others.

I'm a big machinery nut in general, so I love this kinda work!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22 11 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was able to find a complete Wayne conversion burner already converted to propane 200,000 btu's, what size regulator should I use, single or two stage.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22 11 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

treed wrote:
I was able to find a complete Wayne conversion burner already converted to propane 200,000 btu's, what size regulator should I use, single or two stage.


Most of these units are adjustable. 200,000 BTU is overkill for this application. I believe mine is in the 60,000 BTU range.

Either way you will need a two stage regulator.

All of these type burners run at 11 inches water column (standard low LP gas grill pressure)
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