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erniesshop
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13 10 7:53 am    Post subject: Cut-off Saw Reply with quote

Looking for some Different Opinions on Cut-off Saw's.
My Old one bit the Dust , After Years of Service .
I'm looking at the Rage2 Right now......How many of you use a Regular saw blade ...vs a fiber blade...And do they last ?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13 10 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ernie, I have an abrasive cutoff and I recently given as a gift a Milwaukee dry cut. I may never go back to the abrasive. I know this, the dry cut does not do well with lets say free hand cuts. It is not remotely recommended and you will toast the blade (I found that out) Also the blades are very expensive. I built the boys canopy and several 2'' x 2'' 1/4'' wall pieces before I dulled the dry cuts blade. They are quite a bit more in price but if you can swing one in my opinion they are well worth it.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13 10 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks , Kevin !
I have already planed on getting a Extra Blade.......Figured there would be a Learning Curve with the Dry Blade.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13 10 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had the evolution rage 2 for about 6-8 months now and would highly recommend it. Works like a champ and has cut through anything I have tossed at it yet.

Since I got it I have made 12-15 cuts on 3x3x.25 tubing, and it sails through there in less than a min compared to my bandsaw which takes about 15 min to make one cut on the same material. Also cut probably 20-30 pieces of 2x2x.25 and countless pieces of angle and flat bar as well as a piece of .5"x2" flat bar. If i remember right the steel blades are rated for 1,000 cuts on 2x2x1/8" tubing. This is somewhere in the neighborhood on 650 linear feet of 1/8" plate. I remember seeing that for .25" plate it should cut around 300 linear feet before needing a new blade or needing the blade sharpened.

The most important thing as KAM said is having stuff correctly clamped. These saws are super loud and the shavings that come off are really sharp and hot so eye and ear protection is a must.

Another nice thing is that unlike an abrasive saw, if you cut you material and its a little to long you can clamp it back down and shave off have a blade width of material and still have a square cut.

Also putting the material in the saw in the correct orientation if important to prolong blade life.
Generally angle should be cut like this > and square tubing like this <> unless you are making angled cuts.

My only complaint (and its a very small one) is there was a small error in the casting of the fence on my saw and it would not go to the full 45 degrees for a miter cut. The groove was large enough but there was not enough cleareance on one side and it stopped at about 42 degrees. Not really an issue though, just removed the fence clamped it in a vice and less than 5 min later with a little bit of love from a file it was perfect.

You may want to check out the raptor if you are only cutting steel. Its what I would have gotten but I was unable to find a dealer that carried one.
http://www.evolutionpowertools.co.uk/us/steel_downloads_videos.html
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13 10 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ggarner.....
Thanks for the Info !!
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13 10 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Dewalt dry cut and abrasive saw and they both work well. The dry saw is quicker and much cleaner cooler cuts. I cut alot of 11ga tubing for trailer builds and it rips right through it one cut right after another. You have to make sure the metal is clamped solid. You will shatter a blade if your not careful and that is some scary s*%t! I use my bandsaw alot when Im cutting alot of tube beacause I can lay out 2 to 6 tubes on my saw and make cuts quick. I havent cut alot of 1/4 or thicker material on the cold saw so cant really say how well it holds up.

The blades are high dollar, but look around, I have found a local chain sharpening guy that can put a nice edge back on my blades and make them like new again.

I agree with the eye and ear protection, the saw is loud for sure.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13 10 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks , TrailerBuilder.....
One of the Reasons That I want a New Saw.....I'm About to start a 24' Gooseneck????
Do you think 4x6x1/4 tube will work for the Frame ?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14 10 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For that big of tubing erniesshop I love my bandsaw, but a decent one is a good investment. I did a ton of research on saws and bought a 7x12 bandsaw from Grizzly. The saw listed for $1800 but I picked it up at their big summer scrach and dent tent sale for $800. It was missing a wheel kit and the bottom tray was beat up some, cosmetic only and it works like a charm!

On a 24' gooseneck, I build them out of 2x6x3/16th tube. Its extremely heavy duty but you dont have near the weight as you will with a 4x6x1/4. Depending on what kind of capacities your looking at on your trailer, I would think that a 2x3x3/16th tube or maybe even a 2x4x3/16th tube on 16" centers should be plenty of support for whatever your going to do. If your not going to be doing real heavy duty applications with the trailer, I would not be afraid to do 2x4x11ga tube on 16" centers. Tube framing is so much stronger than channel or angle iron so you can sometimes get away with not so heavy of material.

Being tube framed, it will be a little heavier, so go accordinly on your axles and make sure you have plenty of capacity to accomdate for the framework.

If you have any questions at all, just shoot me a message, Id be happy to help out anyway I could.

Good luck on the build, shoot me some pics when your done!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14 10 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trailerbuilder....I have a Horizontal Band Saw???
Thanks for your Input ! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14 10 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Guy's !!!
Just Ordered the Raptor From Amazon!
Should have it By Midweek.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 14 10 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let us know what you think about it when you get it.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04 10 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ended up buying the " Evolution Fury "!!
It is currently on Sale @ Amazon.com for $ 199.99 ? ?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08 11 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

erniesshop wrote:
Ended up buying the " Evolution Fury "!!
It is currently on Sale @ Amazon.com for $ 199.99 ? ?
Ernie


Just shelled out the cash for one myself. $199.99 @ Amazon. Very nice saw- no complaints
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08 11 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

erniesshop wrote:
Ended up buying the " Evolution Fury "!!
It is currently on Sale @ Amazon.com for $ 199.99 ? ?
Ernie


I don't think you'll be dissapointed. I have the Rage TCT 7-1/4 saw and the Rage 2 14" saw and I'm happy with both. Cuts through steel like "buttah". The reason for my purchasing decision was (at the time) Evolution was the only ones stating that their saws were multipurpose. All I have to do is slap on the correct blade and I cut practically anything I want, including masonry. The sales guy at my welding supply house told me the fire department was buying these things like crazy for their steel cutting capabilities.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08 11 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The more I use my Saw......The more I like It !
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08 11 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The more I use my Saw......The more I like It !
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19 11 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has any one cut 2 X 4 tube at a 45 degree standing upright ? thats all I am lookinf for to order one of the evolutions.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19 11 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 14" evolution does that cut with no problems.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19 11 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oz ,long time no see . Which model do you have? I am milling between the two higher models.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19 11 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to hear from you Coz.
I believe mine is called a Raptor made by Evolution . It is about 3 years old and has held up quite well. I paid around $525 for the saw and blades cost about $75.
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