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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15 10 8:42 am    Post subject: Lincoln vs. Miller Reply with quote

After Spending ALL DAY , Looking at Welding machines on the Internet.....
I think I'll be buying a new Miller Machine!
Now that Was HARD to say !
My Granddad......My Dad Used to Swear that was was not a Better welder made than Lincoln !
Between the 2 of them , the wore out at least 3 pipeliner welders !
Now .. That being said......How about we open a Discussion on Stick vs. Mig ???
Any Takers ?
Most of my welding has been Stick......Last year I bought a little 110v mig....And find it Pretty Dang Neat !
It's Light weight......Don't have Leads to untangle or Drag......Set up is a Breeze......And It seems to leave a Cleaner Product....Not near the slag from Arc. Any other opinions ?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15 10 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a die hard Lincoln fan, but I think Miller has their s--t together with the MIG machines.....way better than Lincoln. I have ran Miller MIG machines and they are sweet. In the right hands a MIG welder can be manipulated to sling a lot of metal and fast. My only issue is why is it there is no weld test for pipe here in the plants for MIG welding? I have tested many times and had to be x-rayed while on the job and we only Tig or stick. That is good enough for me, I'll keep stickin' and Tiggin'. I think straight MIG is best suited for non critical fabrication unless you are using a large gauge flux core wire with gas. Just my experience and just my opinion. I don't know everything nor do I claim to, but I do know my way around pipe. Very Happy


You do know you really opened up a big ole' can of worms right? Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15 10 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jonnyrod.......I've never had to test??????
Guess I'm Lucky !
All of my welding has been repair or Hardfacing..........Backhoe Buckets , Dozer Blades kind of Stuff.
What I am Wanting is a Machine to run Fluxcore AND Gas..........I did a Couple Days of that this Summer.....I Really Liked It !
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15 10 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ernie, don't know if you did or not. All I'm sayin' is I never tested with a MIG machine on pipe. The only test I took with a MIG machine was structural, or as we refer to it....junk iron. Laughing Hey, you can't beat a good welding Miller on on some plate man, go for it. I wish I had a blue rig here at home for these cookers, trust me......Jon Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15 10 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ernie, you know me. I bleed blue and love my stick. Very Happy When we get done with this one we can discuss to foil or not and then cap it off with a nice discussion of fat cap up or down. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15 10 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon , Just looked at your Smoker Build........AWESOME JOB !!!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15 10 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jon , Just looked at your Smoker Build........AWESOME JOB !!!!!


Thanks Ernie Smile , really wish I was in a position to get me a MIG. You really can't go wrong with the blue for what you want to do. Dang K.A.M., we don't like the same beer or machines lol.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15 10 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kevin.......
Bud in a red can !
No Foil!
Cap up!
I Love my Pipeliner..........
But , just like getting on the Internet......Sattelite Radio..(Love Willie's Place !)
We Gots to change with the Times ?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15 10 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to weld stick back in the 90's and am very comfortable doing it.

I started mig welding this year while helping BigRic build his pit, and I personally dont like it. I can not tell if I am getting penetration and that is what worries me.

So I will stay with stick with stick Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15 10 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I havent ran a stick in 20 years.......dam, maybe 25. I love my migs. I am a huge believer in Miller machines. I have a Miller 135 which is a 110v machine that will weld gas or flux, stainless and aluminum. I love this machine for small jobs. It will weld up to a 1/4 inch material but with the duty cycle its a slow process on the thicker material. For thinner material welds, 16-24 gauge, you cant ever go wrong with this machine. I also have a Miller Matic 250. This machine is older, 97 model, but has never been in for repair and has burned up I dont know how many 44 pound spools of .035 and .045 wire. I also have a mini spool gun for this machine where I can weld up aluminum with it as well and not have to worry about getting into the expense of a push/pull wire machine. Anyways......I weld mainly 11ga and 3/16th tube. With the machine tuned in right, I would not be scared to run up against the best stick machine and welder head to head. Im not great, dont claim to be, but I can get the job done with what I have. I guess what this long rant is trying to say is, go with what you are comfortable with. If your a stick welder, it will take a while to adapt and like the mig and vise versa. Figure out your needs for the machine and what you need it to do and then buy the right machine for your needs.

Just my thoughts and opinions........long winded as they may be.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15 10 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

swatchie.....
What makes you think That your not getting penetration with Mig ?
Is your puddle different......not enough undercut ?
Are you dragging or pushing your weld ?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15 10 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The old Red vs Blue argument. Like the Ford vs Chevy argument.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15 10 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ernie & Jonny. Instead of sending you guys some rub this year for Christmas I am going to ship y'all some Miller blue paint in the aerosol cans for your Lincolns. Well its a start. Razz Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15 10 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

k.a.m. wrote:
Ernie & Jonny. Instead of sending you guys some rub this year for Christmas I am going to ship y'all some Miller blue paint in the aerosol cans for your Lincolns. Well its a start. Razz Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15 10 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lincoln stick (albeit an A/C unit) and in the last 6 months, a Miller 251 MIG. I can no longer function without both, very spoiled. 30 + yrs before I had ever laid hands on a MIG. The stick goes for structural, trailers and such nowadays, while the MIG gets the brunt of daily use now. Nothing beats stitch welding and tacking like the MIG and if something fashioned from the stick were to jump off a cliff, I apologize for the damage to Mother earth. Wink Awesome tools, both.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16 10 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

k.a.m. wrote:
Ernie & Jonny. Instead of sending you guys some rub this year for Christmas I am going to ship y'all some Miller blue paint in the aerosol cans for your Lincolns. Well its a start. Razz Laughing


LOL, what a guy. Laughing Kevin, Ernie, you guys are alright no matter what everybody else says Laughing
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Jonnyrod wrote:
k.a.m. wrote:
Ernie & Jonny. Instead of sending you guys some rub this year for Christmas I am going to ship y'all some Miller blue paint in the aerosol cans for your Lincolns. Well its a start. Razz Laughing


LOL, what a guy. Laughing Kevin, Ernie, you guys are alright no matter what everybody else says Laughing

Jonny, don't believe those other guys they are all probably on the liar list. Laughing
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k.a.m. wrote:
Ernie & Jonny. Instead of sending you guys some rub this year for Christmas I am going to ship y'all some Miller blue paint in the aerosol cans for your Lincolns. Well its a start. Razz Laughing


Really ??????
I can use it to paint the Motor on my 8N !!!!!
What a Buddy !!!
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k.a.m. wrote:
Ernie & Jonny. Instead of sending you guys some rub this year for Christmas I am going to ship y'all some Miller blue paint in the aerosol cans for your Lincolns. Well its a start. Razz Laughing


LOL thats a good one!!!!!! i bleed blue with Kevin but if i were to buy a machine with a generator and no bells and whistles it would be a lincoln Pipeliner 200 from between the years of 1955-65 (like daddy had Very Happy )
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Jonnyrod wrote:
k.a.m. wrote:
Ernie & Jonny. Instead of sending you guys some rub this year for Christmas I am going to ship y'all some Miller blue paint in the aerosol cans for your Lincolns. Well its a start. Razz Laughing


LOL, what a guy. Laughing Kevin, Ernie, you guys are alright no matter what everybody else says Laughing



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