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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06 10 12:07 pm    Post subject: Mr.Wang in Beijing China says Hi to everybody Reply with quote

I designed a gravity feed wood pellet burner.
By the same burner I built wood pellet boiler, stove and SMOKER.
My smoker is made from single wall of stainless steel. size is 16"x16"x18".But I add 2" of lining by firecement. Grill size is 13"x10". It is good enough for 5 bls of beef and a few pieces of potatos, more than enough for the three of my family.
In a few weeks I will build a bigger size like FEC100,double walls of stainless steel with fiberglass inside.
I use a 3 watt DC blower, a gel battery, a thermalmeter and thermal controller to turn on or off the blower.A 4 AH battery can run the blower cotinuously 6 hours. Definatelly it can run the smoker several days. the blower is on when temperature drops below the setting temperature.
Following a few samll pictures. Super big picures are at my website.









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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06 10 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're a very skilled and creative guy. Welcome aboard...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06 10 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08 10 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to the Ring! Impressive build!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10 10 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome Mr. Wang Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11 10 8:06 am    Post subject: Thanks for replies. Happey and sad Reply with quote

Indeed I am doing a feasibility study of doing somker in China and selling it to American.
I am happier to read replies here.
But I feel very sad to read replies from "welding" http://www.thesmokering.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46231
All replies are more than negative.
I really need to know whether "Welding" represents common American people, the smoking funs, or the "Welding" represents professional WELDERS. Obviously a few replies are from very rich American who's smokers are worth of tens of thousands of $$$$$. Certainly they buy made in USA whatever the price is.
As I use my own design of gravity feed burner, which has applied for PCT patent, I do not need any price war against myself. I will foucs on quality,I will use better and THICK materials. I promise if you pay half price as made in USA, you will get quality better than made in USA.
In this case will you buy a made in China or a made in USA.
My investment will depand on your reply. Please be serious and honest.
Thanks a lot.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11 10 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodpelletgrill, you asked for what you got in the welding forum by dishing American welders. Your feasibility study is nothing more than a failed attempt to try and push your clone build. Good luck with that.

Here in Beijing we pay for a real professional welder with a higher qualification certificate US$400 to 500 per month. But he has to work 8 hours a day and 6 days a week. Not pension, no medical care.
American welder is so luck. I am so jealous!
But I also feel so sad for most common American people, who have to pay for such a high cost for such an easy job, especially considering present economic situation.
It is much cheaper to make it complete in China whatever the extra shipping cost is.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11 10 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 12 10 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jarhead wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
mrcustomsteel wrote:
...Harbor Freight HQ Marketing Dept in Hong Kong and suggests "print 'Heavy Duty' on everything.

HF and Hong Kong in the same sentence and actually related. Therein lies the problem. Cheap labor built, a nice boat ride, and Voila...a US price tag attached albeit just lower enough to give the quality US built goods a hard time. There was a decade, give or take a year, where " Made in the USA" was the info we looked for, sadly Sad we are back to our same old ways

Sorry Dude, I wouldn't buy it if you built it.
There a lots of better quality smokers on the market here and they are "Made In The USA"
I own:
FEC-100, Ponca City, OK, USA
DPP Fat-50, San Angelo, TX, USA
New Braunfels Bandera, New Braunfels, TX, USA
WSM 18.5", Palatine, IL, USA
S/W Smoker Grill, Tulsa, OK, USA
3 - UDSs, Marionville, MO, USA

RIP:
Brinkman ECB, China
Dura-Flame? (WalMart) Made in China
And assorted other ground up junk car steel.

Ever try to get ahold of Hong Kong Fooie for warranty service or replace a part?
What is your warranty? Who services your defective ones? What city are replacement parts located in?
Even if I could, I will not press 1 for Chinese, 2 for Spanish or 3 for English and speak to someone I can't understand.

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k.a.m. wrote:
Jonnyrod wrote:
woodpelletgrill wrote:
Here in Beijing we pay for a real professional welder with a higher qualification certificate US$400 to 500 per month. But he has to work 8 hours a day and 6 days a week. Not pension, no medical care.
American welder is so luck. I am so jealous!
But I also feel so sad for most common American people, who have to pay for such a high cost for such an easy job, especially considering present economic situation.
It is much cheaper to make it complete in China whatever the extra shipping cost is.


I would love to test one of your 'a real professional welder with a higher qualification certificate' . I have seen the crap that gets melted together over there and shipped over here. I am not impressed. Please don't feel sorry for the 'common American people' who must pay for such an easy job..... they are getting what they pay for. Welding, when done correctly is not an easy job. If it were so easy, we would have little girls doing it........ When in Rome do as the Romans do, when in America, pay up.


Well said Jonny.
woodpelletgrill, If you meant to piss off some good welders you did a good job. Go ahead and build your pellet pooper over there and sell it there. Or if you want to ship it here maybe you can find a Chinese freighter to carry it on. You can call that cooker your idea but it is still a clone in my books.

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Unfortunately you can't live in the USA for $400 or $500 a month, you would struggle at 3 times that, so the higher cost of living has to be taken into account.

Then we pay the price of not allowing for some forms of pollution, and insurance and health care and that all takes a bite out of our earning abilities.

Then when one has a good product and we want to sell it, we pay for advertising. http://www.thesmokering.com/adrates3.jsp here's the link for this site, just so that you don't feel left out, if you want to promote your goods through posting on this site, we sure would appreciate you paying the same price that everyone does to advertise!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13 10 2:07 am    Post subject: Re: Thanks for replies. Happey and sad Reply with quote

woodpelletgrill wrote:
Indeed I am doing a feasibility study of doing somker in China and selling it to American.


Don't take this against you personally but we presently have more need to put American's to work than we need more cheap goods. I am sure your cooker is fine but the realities of our economy are real to us. Not perfect, just real. You have to pay the piper if you want to dance in this country.

woodpelletgrill wrote:
I am happier to read replies here.


Most American’s are honest people with an abiding sense of integrity. You asked our opinion of your work and we gave it to you. Those opinions were only to your question and not the whole of your plans. See below for what I think about your plans.

woodpelletgrill wrote:
But I feel very sad to read replies from "welding" http://www.thesmokering.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=46231
All replies are more than negative.


I can’t top what KAM said so won’t try.

woodpelletgrill wrote:
I really need to know whether "Welding" represents common American people, the smoking funs, or the "Welding" represents professional WELDERS.


You can’t separate one from the other. “Common” American people who smoke for fun must pay the welder or weld it themselves. Unlike your country where salaries are influenced by the government, here a person charges what he feels his/her service is worth. Free market says if you don’t like his price you can try to find one cheaper. I am sure there is a welder in this country that will do your welding for what meager pay you offer but here we have a saying, “you get what you pay for”.

woodpelletgrill wrote:
Obviously a few replies are from very rich American who's smokers are worth of tens of thousands of $$$$$. Certainly they buy made in USA whatever the price is.


Actually, American buy American when possible because the quality of the item is usually better. Nothing personal but Chinese are known for flooding our markets with cheap, inferior products. We consider Chinese goods “disposable”.

woodpelletgrill wrote:
As I use my own design of gravity feed burner, which has applied for PCT patent, I do not need any price war against myself. I will foucs on quality,I will use better and THICK materials. I promise if you pay half price as made in USA, you will get quality better than made in USA. In this case will you buy a made in China or a made in USA. My investment will depand on your reply. Please be serious and honest.

Thanks a lot.


I tried holding my peace but you ask that we be honest. Being honest, I am offended by your countries method of devaluing its currency by improperly deflating all prices so that a “qualified” welder can live on US$400 to 500 per month. It isn’t that it’s the true cost or fair wage for the service, your country lowers all prices so that labor cost can be cheap and they make up the difference when they flood international markets with the goods you make. In other words, we pay the differences between your cheap pay and “actual” cost when we consume your goods.

We can’t be mad at you for what your Government does but we can choose not to participate by not consuming your goods. That’s why I buy “made in America” when we can and I am far from a “rich American”.

I personally wish our current legislators would do what our forefathers did when the mother land flooded our markets with cheaper goods, they imposed import tariffs to offset the differences in economies. Posing import tariffs on goods made in cheaper economies would equalize selling prices between Chinese and American goods (just using China as an example). This would force your government to sell goods in your country for “actual cost” in order to break even which would raise your prices and mean your workers would need “fair” pay to consume. This would then get rid of your countries cheap labor market that even our businesses take advantage of and put you on an even footing with the free world. On that day “made in America” can also be sold in China for a comparable price as “made in China”, our economy will grow because our workers will go back to work making “made in America” and you won’t be bragging about how you can get cheaper steel and how a qualified welder can survive on US $400 or $500.

Unfortunately we have legislators whose ideology is to allow our businesses to use your cheap labor markets (give tax breaks for it even) then make more profit when they sell the goods here and it allows them to penetrate more cheaper markets abroad. Higher import tariffs (as our forefathers did) would of course reduce those profits so they fight against imposing those tariffs with every fiber of their being even if it’s the right thing for our nation. They prefer to see a few business tycoons make more profits than to put more American’s to work.

You see the real difference between capitalism and communism is who profits from the greed so here they make words like Socialism and Government scary, hated words here. I am sure “capitalism” and “democracy” are scary, hated words there. In your country the government profits from the greed. In our country a few billionaires and most politicians profit from the greed. In both countries the common man scuffles for a meager existence and tries to get by the best he can. So instead of fighting with us, you should understand we’re victims just like you…

So if you want to sell Chinese goods in America, pay the price…
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13 10 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankly, when I think of Chinese made goods I think of inferior quality. Japanese goods used to be thought of in the same way, but they found a way to make quality important. And I do not find it a bargain to have to buy two of something in the time I used to buy one, even if its half the price.

There are still plenty of smokers and grills that are made in the US and that is what I buy. Unfortunately, while my last grill was made in the US, there are many parts made in China. Guess what has broken in the last four years. Fortunately the grill maker has a great warranty and has replaced the parts at no cost to me -- but maybe they get the message that the cheap Chinese parts are no bargain for them. Time will tell.

Why can't you make something to sell in China? With 1.? billion people, cant you find a way to sell to .1% of the people and be wealthy by Chinese standards? I think this is what clever Chinese entrepreneurs should be doing with their energy.
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