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The Meaning of the 13 folds of American flag

 
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01 11 9:28 am    Post subject: The Meaning of the 13 folds of American flag Reply with quote

THE AMERICAN FLAG

Have you ever noticed how the honor guard pays meticulous attention to correctly folding the American flag 13 times? You probably thought it was to symbolize the original 13 colonies, but we learn something new every day!

The 1st fold of our flag is a symbol of life.

The 2nd fold is a symbol of our belief in eternal life.

The 3rd fold is made in honor and remembrance of the veterans departing our ranks who gave a portion of their lives for the defense of our country to attain peace throughout the world.

The 4th fold represents our weaker nature, for as American citizens trusting in God, it is to Him we turn in times of peace as well as in time of war for His divine guidance.

The 5th fold is a tribute to our country, for in the words of Stephen Decaur, "Our Country", in dealing with other countries, may she always be right; but it is still our country, right or wrong.

The 6th fold is for where our hearts lie. It is with our heart that We pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, Indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.

The 7th fold is a tribute to our Armed Forces, for it is through the Armed Forces that we protect our country and our flag against all her enemies, whether they be found within or without the boundaries of our republic.

The 8th fold is a tribute to the one who entered into the valley of the shadow of death, that we might see the light of day.

The 9th fold is a tribute to womanhood, and Mothers. For it has been through their faith, their love, loyalty and devotion that the character of the men and women who have made this country great has been molded.

The 10th fold is a tribute to the father, for he, too, has given his sons and daughters for defense of our country since they were first born.

The 11th fold represents the lower portion of the seal of King David and King Solomon and glorifies in the Hebrews eyes, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

The 12th fold represents an emblem of eternity and glorifies, in the Christians eyes, God the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit.

The 13th fold, or when the flag is completely folded, the stars are uppermost reminding us of our nations motto, "In God We Trust."

After the flag is completely folded and tucked in, it takes on the appearance of a cocked hat, Ever reminding us of the soldiers who served under General George Washington, and the Sailors and Marines who served under Captain John Paul Jones, who were followed by their comrades and shipmates in the Armed Forces of the United States, preserving for us the rights, privileges and freedoms we enjoy today.

There are some traditions and ways of doing things that have deep meaning. In the future, youll see flags folded and now you will know why. Share this with the children you love and all others who love the symbol of "Liberty and Freedom."
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04 11 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much for posting this information!!!!!!!!!! As a Canadian we take for granted our security but in reality it is because of our great neighbor and our best friend to the south of us. Thank you all for being so willing to support the democratic principles and freedoms we have and may this July the 4th be truly good for all of you. Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04 11 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest about it...there is no meaning to the 13 folds.

Different organizations have come up with unique "13 meanings" for each fold that represent their individual organization...but all this has taken place over time.

The flag was folded this way long before anyone started putting meanings do it.

I have no objection with this practice whatsoever and think it should continue for as long as these organizations want to continue to honor our nation's flag.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08 11 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK so I am an idiot but I still like the sentiment and wish to thank all the families of military personnel. Thank you all. I wish I could express it better but.... Doug
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08 11 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No...you're not an idiot. Far from it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09 11 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just between you and me and the lamppost, this is evangelical proselytizing by the U.S. Air Force Academy. It's been a well-known harasser of non-Christians and Atheists. Those folds mean nothing of the sort. This particular interpretation denies the history of our founding as a State that repudiates government meddling in religion.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09 11 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bonsaikc wrote:
Just between you and me and the lamppost, this is evangelical proselytizing by the U.S. Air Force Academy. It's been a well-known harasser of non-Christians and Atheists. Those folds mean nothing of the sort. This particular interpretation denies the history of our founding as a State that repudiates government meddling in religion.


According to snopes.com you are incorrect as well.

http://www.snopes.com/military/flagfold.asp

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It is also a common misbelief that the above-quoted script originated with the U.S. Air Force (USAF) and is used by default at all veterans' funerals conducted under the aegis of the U.S. military. This is not the case, as the USAF has noted:

Though there are no official ceremonies in the Air Force that require a script to be read when a flag is folded, unofficial ceremonies such as retirements often do, said Lt. Col. Samuel Hudspath, Air Force protocol chief.

"We have had a tradition within the Air Force of individuals requesting that a flag be folded, with words, at their retirement ceremony," he said.

There is no shortage of scripts available that can be read aloud during a flag folding, but many of those scripts are religious in nature and also ascribe meaning to the individual folds put into the flag. One of the oldest of those scripts is attributed to an anonymous chaplain at the U.S. Air Force Academy.

Individuals who hear those scripts end up attributing the contents of the script to the U.S. Air Force. But the reality is that neither Congress, nor federal laws related to the flag, assign any special meaning to the individual folds.


But of course snopes might just be wrong too! Wink Laughing Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10 11 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SoEzzy wrote:

According to snopes.com you are incorrect as well.

http://www.snopes.com/military/flagfold.asp

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It is also a common misbelief that the above-quoted script originated with the U.S. Air Force (USAF) and is used by default at all veterans' funerals conducted under the aegis of the U.S. military. This is not the case, as the USAF has noted:

Though there are no official ceremonies in the Air Force that require a script to be read when a flag is folded, unofficial ceremonies such as retirements often do, said Lt. Col. Samuel Hudspath, Air Force protocol chief.

"We have had a tradition within the Air Force of individuals requesting that a flag be folded, with words, at their retirement ceremony," he said.

There is no shortage of scripts available that can be read aloud during a flag folding, but many of those scripts are religious in nature and also ascribe meaning to the individual folds put into the flag. One of the oldest of those scripts is attributed to an anonymous chaplain at the U.S. Air Force Academy.

Individuals who hear those scripts end up attributing the contents of the script to the U.S. Air Force. But the reality is that neither Congress, nor federal laws related to the flag, assign any special meaning to the individual folds.


But of course snopes might just be wrong too! Wink Laughing Wink

If one subscribes to the idea that there is meaning, then for you there is meaning, if you choose to believe there is no meaning, then for you there need be no meaning!


I am very pleased to find that there is evidence I am wrong in this. I hope it is true. I'd hate to think the Air Force had sunk so low.
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I just love how "Freedom of Religion" has suddenly been morphed in the last 50 years to mean "Freedom from Religion". The school systems have done a real good job at redefining our history.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11 11 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pinkelephant wrote:
I just love how "Freedom of Religion" has suddenly been morphed in the last 50 years to mean "Freedom from Religion". The school systems have done a real good job at redefining our history.


How can there be freedom of religion if one is not free to have no religion?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11 11 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bonsaikc wrote:
Pinkelephant wrote:
I just love how "Freedom of Religion" has suddenly been morphed in the

last 50 years to mean "Freedom from Religion". The school systems have done a real good job at redefining our

history.


How can there be freedom of religion if one is not free to have no religion?

exactly what religion are you being forced to follow?? I spent the first 30 years of my life as an athiest and

I saw no pressure to change. on the contrary, the pressure comes from those who have big government as a

religion and don't wish anything to be considered more powerfull than "the state"
Is it religion or morality your resisting?
growing up as an athiest, I looked at the battle against religion as a battle against morality. which is more damaging to a middle class family trying to do things right?
I know what religion is being forced down my throat.

[Edited by SoEzzy]Discuss (almost) anything that doesn't fit neatly into one of the other forums. Non-barbecue

related discussion is OK. No discussion of politics or religion, please. Such posts will be deleted.[/edit]
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12 11 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK so I let the post about religion pass, (as it wasn't really religion), now you want to bring in politics as a religion!

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