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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31 16 9:44 am    Post subject: Deep South - Vertical offset build Reply with quote

Don't get too excited, this might take me a year. I got a great 120 gallon compressor tank from a friend. It's a decommissioned compressor vessel from the railroad about 24"x72" and at least 1/4" thick. After waffling between three designs, I have decided to do a vertical offset build using stock Weber 22 1/2" grates and building a 22"x22"x3/8" firebox. I plan to connect the two with a thick wall 8" pipe and the smoke stack is a 6"x16" removable pipe.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31 16 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31 16 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31 16 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

$20 ebay piano hinge...BEEFY!
three questions:

1. Do I center the hinge pin on the door cut?
2. Do I space or shim the hinge for clearance to open?
3. Can I spot weld all the drill holes to attach it or do I need to stitch weld too?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31 16 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

???is this thing on???

Laid out the door using the weld seams as a guide. Stayed 1" away from all factory welds and ended up with a single door 18-1/2" x 46"


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31 16 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deep South wrote:
$20 ebay piano hinge...BEEFY!
three questions:

1. Do I center the hinge pin on the door cut?
I would center it tack it and try it.

2. Do I space or shim the hinge for clearance to open?
The curve of the tank should allow for the barrels to raise some so no shims should be needed.

3. Can I spot weld all the drill holes to attach it or do I need to stitch weld too?
I would plug weld the holes then do a small stitch between them.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01 17 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Kam!

Do I need to worry about prep and paint under the hinge? I've ground off the paint for welding.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01 17 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could paint before adding the hinge but it will most likely burn away when welding. I would probably just weld them on.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01 17 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On a hinge like that, why not just bolt it on???
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01 17 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dwilliams35 wrote:
On a hinge like that, why not just bolt it on???


UH - OOOOH!

I would bolt it too but you risk a little ribbing from the gallery. Wink

Fabricated hinges will be a little more work but I think they would look better than a piano hinge for this application. Save that piano hinge for a toolbox or wood box. Just my opinion.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01 17 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bolting is an option. You could use carriage bolts for a rivet look. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02 17 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or RIVETS for a rivet look. Actually not hard to do. Rivets available at most hardware stores or McMaster Carr.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02 17 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

smootz wrote:
dwilliams35 wrote:
On a hinge like that, why not just bolt it on???


UH - OOOOH!

I would bolt it too but you risk a little ribbing from the gallery. Wink

Fabricated hinges will be a little more work but I think they would look better than a piano hinge for this application. Save that piano hinge for a toolbox or wood box. Just my opinion.
. It's all in the presentation; just say you were going for a steampunk look.. maybe some brass bolts or something..

One way or another, I've yet to see a welded on piano hinge that looked like anything but a welded on piano hinge... in other words, a weak hinge and just a little bit amateurish. If it's bolted (or riveted), it could definitely fit into a "look" you're after for it, but otherwise I'd definitely fab some hinges instead..
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03 17 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This hinge is anything but flimsy. 1/8" steel 4" across with a solid 1/2" pin.

I got it for this build so I will be using it.

I like the steam punk idea but I'm not sure if I could pull it off properly and I don't know squat about rivets. Off to do some research...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03 17 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless it is Stainless Steel it would be stuck pretty quickly if left outside here in Ohio. Maybe be OK where you live.

If you make good Q no one is going to care a bit what kind of hinge you use. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03 17 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smootz wrote:
Unless it is Stainless Steel it would be stuck pretty quickly if left outside here in Ohio. Maybe be OK where you live.

If you make good Q no one is going to care a bit what kind of hinge you use. Smile
. Aesthetics aside, that would be my main concern.. if even the pin was stainless it would help. My first experience welding on pits years ago included cutting off a pretty meaty piano hinge because you quite simply couldn't open the cook chamber after it sat for a week or so; a bunch of penetrant could break it loose, but who wants that dripping into their meat, and it would just cook off and you'd be back at square one pretty shortly.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03 17 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deep South wrote:
This hinge is anything but flimsy. 1/8" steel 4" across with a solid 1/2" pin.

I got it for this build so I will be using it.

I like the steam punk idea but I'm not sure if I could pull it off properly and I don't know squat about rivets. Off to do some research...

http://www.kingmetals.com/Catalog/CatalogListing.aspx?CatalogId=c39&CatalogDetailId=791&NSM=Y
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03 17 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With the hinge mounted vertical, dripping won't be an issue.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06 17 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Potential firebox door.




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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08 17 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like your sketch at the beginning of the thread. What program do you use for it? I would like to sketch my current patio build so the "brotherhood" here can critic the design.

Based on using my similar sized upright I would offer a couple of observations. If I say so myself, the upright in my signature works VERY well.

While it probably won't cause any problems, your stack can be much shorter or even deleted. The body of the smoker itself will provide plenty of draft. Reference WSM's and UDS's.

I'm not sure if the tuning plates are going to do anything. Of course they can't hurt and can easily be removed.

The grease pan is cute but with the firebox offset like that you probably only need an 1-1/2" pipe nipple on the bottom with a 90 and a valve.

I like the offset firebox and the large side door. I can see this cooker as easy and convenient to use.
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